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e6f77 No.2220[Reply]

people aren't returning stuff as much as they used to. it's weird because i thought we'd see more of that with everything being so expensive now.
>Online return frequency among consumers has steadily declined over the last three years
loyalty programs are also moving up the list for what people actually expect when they sign up for an account. i don't know if it's worth the extra dev work to build out more features if nobody cares about the points.

found this here: https://baymard.com/research-articles/ecommerce-quantitative-ux-insights-2026

e6f77 No.2238

>>2220
the points thing feels pretty hollow when users are just looking for immediate value instead of some far-off reward. i've seen so many people ignore the loyalty dashboard entirely because it doesn't actually make their checkout experience any easier or cheaper right now. do you think people would respond better to instant discounts instead of a points system?

e6f77 No.2243

>>2238
>do you think people would respond better to instant discounts instead of a points system?

definitely. i worked on a small boutique site last summer and we spent months building out this massive tiered rewards thing. nobody even clicked it. we swapped it for a simple promo code at checkout and the conversion rate jumped immediately. ppl just want the price to be lower right now, tbh. the extra dev work is such a waste of time if you're just adding more clutter to the dashboard.

e6f77 No.2246

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>>2243
The dev work is a waste if you aren't tracking the attribution source for those promo codes. It works great for quick wins, but don't rely on it for long-term retention since people just hunt for the next coupon.



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bd070 No.2229[Reply]

just saw some stuff about stripping all the links out of the header so people can't wander off. apparently instapage is what the big teams use for this 1:1 ratio thing, but honestly removing every exit sounds like a recipe for high bounce rates if the copy sucks lmao.

more here: https://instapage.com/blog/product-landing-pages/

bd070 No.2245

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>>2229
instapage is just a landing page builder fancy editor for people who can't write decent copy, and removing links won't save you if the value prop is garbage.



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a93a2 No.2221[Reply]

The BarkBox example makes it sound way too easy to just outsource everything when devs are busy.
>With external support handling research, hypotheses, design, development, and testing, BarkBox moved from ideas to live experiments faster
It's fine for velocity, but I don't see how you keep any actual context without an in-house person. Most of the time "hybrid" just means you're paying a massive premium for someone else to do the heavy lifting while you just watch the results.

article: https://www.invespcro.com/blog/cro-agency-vs-in-house/

a93a2 No.2242

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>>2221
>Most of the time "hybrid" just means you're paying a massive premium for someone else to do the heavy lifting while you just watch the results.

spot on. i've seen so many brands burn through six figures on an agency retainer just to get some half-baked landing page tests that don't even track pixels correctly. it's basically just expensive babysitting. plus, if they don't live in your slack or know your codebase, every tiny tweak becomes a three-day ticket cycle. i tried running optimizely experiments with an external team once and the latency between idea and deployment was killing our momentum. you end up losing all that tribal knowledge. if you can't even explain why a test failed without calling a meeting, you aren't actually growing lol.



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5f669 No.2219[Reply]

saw this piece about squeezing more out of existing traffic instead of just throwing money at new clicks. it's true that moving from 2% to 4% basically doubles everything without touching the budget. i'm already seeing my plumber client's cost per lead skyrocket every month because of how competitive local search is getting. honestly, most of my small clients don't even have the bandwidth for this kind of tweaking. they just want more calls and don't care about the math behind the lift. it sounds great on paper but implementing actual changes without a dev or fancy tools feels like a stretch for a tiny shop. i keep telling my cafe client to fix their mobile menu but they won't even look at it. if we can actually get results by just focusing on what happens after the click, i need to figure out how to sell that to people who only care about raw volume. it's a lot of work for a 1% bump in some cases.

full read: https://unbounce.com/conversion-rate-optimization/cro-best-practices/

5f669 No.2223

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>>2219
>they just want more calls and don't care about the math behind the lift

Had a landscaping guy like that last summer. I tried showing him how his contact form was broken on mobile, but he just kept asking why the phone wasn't ringing. I ended up having to use Google Tag Manager to track every single button click just to prove people were actually trying to reach him. It's such a headache when they won't even listen to basic advice about their own site.

5f669 No.2226

>>2219
>most of my small clients don't even have the bandwidth for this kind of tweaking
my dev basically lives on coffee and spite so he handles the heavy lifting, but what are you actually using to track the conversion gaps? i need something that doesn't require a phd to set up.

5f669 No.2239

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>>2219
Trying to sell CRO to a shop that just wants volume is a nightmare. I had a dental client who refused to change their landing page copy even after I showed them the bounce rate was nearly 80% on mobile.



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3a53a No.2215[Reply]

saw this case study today and it's pretty wild. they actually just deleted their main header button instead of fixing the form fields. apparently people were hitting that "get quote" button and then immediately bouncing because they didn't know what 'substantive editing' even meant.
>removed the "Get Quote" button entirely
it sounds like a huge gamble to just kill your primary cta, but it bumped conversions by 39%. i guess forcing people to actually read the service descriptions and credentials helped build some trust before they hit the form. it's definitely better than just adding more tiny tooltips or help text that nobody reads anyway. it's a genius move it's mostly just aggressive navigation changes. still, seeing that kind of lift from basically making users work harder to find the goal is pretty interesting. i wonder if this would even work for a simple ecom checkout though. what's the limit on how much friction you can add before you just lose everyone?

article: https://conversion-rate-experts.com/removing-cta-win-report/

3a53a No.2232

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>>2215
>making users work harder to find the goal
That's just called friction, OP. Try that with a checkout flow and you'll see your abandonment rate skyrocket.

3a53a No.2236

>>2232
>That's just called friction, OP.
spot on. i had a client try something similar with their 'pricing' page by hiding the tier details behind a hover effect. they thought it would look cleaner and more mysterious but people literally just thought the site was broken. it killed their leads for a month turns out if you make them hunt too much, they just leave.



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867f9 No.2217[Reply]

been seeing so many people mess up their surveys by asking too much at once. i stopped asking "why did you buy" on the thank you page because it's way too heavy for someone who just finished a checkout flow. instead, i only ask one thing: what was the single most important factor in your decision today? it keeps the friction low and doesn't feel like an interrogation. honestly, if you're asking five different questions right after they gave you money, you're just begging for bad data. people are tired. keep it to a single click or a tiny text box so they actually finish it lol.

867f9 No.2224

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>>2217
>if you're asking five different questions right after they gave you money, you're just begging for bad data.

asking too much is a death sentence for completion rates. i tried doing a multi-step flow once and the dropoff was insane. now we only use one radio button for "how did you find us" and leave it at that.

867f9 No.2234

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>>2224
Radio buttons are way easier for people but i'm worried they're too limiting. Did you see any change in the quality of info once you cut out the open text fields?



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d0a91 No.2233[Reply]

i stopped using placeholder text as labels because it's total garbage for accessibility once someone starts typing. i always keep the label visible above the box so people don't lose context mid-flow. anyone else still relying on placeholders for simple forms?


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4030f No.2231[Reply]

just saw something about how 5th-7th grade reading levels convert at like 11.1%. it's basically just saying don't use big words, which i've known for years.
>small, evidence-based improvements
it's a nice way to rebrand the same old a/b testing we've been doing since forever. calling it an "ongoing cycle" doesn't change the fact that most of us are just fixing leaks as they happen anyway. marketing gurus love new names for old habits i don't see how this stops you from swinging for the fences and failing, though. does anyone actually have a workflow for this that isn't just a mess of spreadsheets?

more here: https://unbounce.com/conversion-rate-optimization/iterative-testing/


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be5aa No.2227[Reply]

tried removing it but users keep scrolling back up to check their subtotal.
>the extra screen real estate is worth the distraction
it's killing my conversion rate because they lose track of the actual buy button lol.

be5aa No.2230

>>2227
The idea that extra screen real estate is worth a distraction sounds pretty risky to me. I'm not seeing how losing sight of the buy button helps anyone finish the checkout. How long has this test actually been running? I'd be worried about seasonal traffic or something else skewing your numbers if it hasn't been at least two weeks.



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8a7de No.2201[Reply]

i hate seeing clients run a single variant across both desktop and mobile when traffic is lopsided like this. if you don't separate your segments it's basically just noise that hides the real winners. i saw one test last week where mobile was tanking but desktop was up 10% and the aggregate result looked flat. has anyone else had to kill a winning test because of bad segmentation?

8a7de No.2225

>>2201
>if you dont separate your segments its basically just noise that hides the real winners
splitting every single test by device is a nightmare for
size
and usually ends up being statistically useless anyway.



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