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456b5 No.2247[Reply]

i've spent way too much time staring at heatmaps only to realize they don't show why people aren't clicking. it's purely decorative when you're looking at a low-traffic page and it's basically just a distraction from actual session recordings. what's your go-to for identifying friction without the fluff?

456b5 No.2250

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>>2247
I wasted a whole afternoon on a landing page last week thinking the red zones meant something, but people were just clicking dead images. I finally switched to watching recordings and realized they all got stuck on a broken form field. How do you even filter through those recordings without losing your mind?

456b5 No.2258

>>2250
>I finally switched to watching recordings and realized they all got stuck on a broken form field.

Recordings are way too slow for that kind of thing. I'd expect the click maps to catch those dead zones if you set them up right, otherwise you're just wasting time scrubbing through hours of people scrolling past your hero section.

456b5 No.2261

>>2250
watching recordings is a total rabbit hole if you don't use tags. i usually just filter for sessions where they clicked something but didn't trigger a conversion event or stayed on the page for way too long. once you stop looking at every single session and only look for high-intent rage clicks it gets much easier. heatmaps are just pretty colors that make you feel like you're doing work when you aren't. i stopped checking them months ago because they don't tell you if the user was confused or just bored. just set up custom event triggers in your analytics and let that do the heavy lifting for you lol.



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e8f32 No.2260[Reply]

using 'airtable' for all your test docs and roadmaps sounds like a nightmare once you scale. sanne thinks ai will just handle the repetitive stuff so we can focus on higher-value work, but i bet it's mostly just more noise to clean up. tbh it's probably just another way to avoid actually looking at the raw data.

full read: https://www.convert.com/blog/optimization/think-like-cro-pro-sanne-maach-abrahamsson/


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21c3f No.2222[Reply]

unbounce is claiming a 6.6% median across everything but it's obviously nonsense without context. saying 11.4% is the floor for top performers doesn't help when you're looking at totally different industries like saas vs ecommerce. just another spreadsheet nerd trying to make sense of random pageviews and nothing else.

link: https://unbounce.com/landing-pages/whats-a-good-conversion-rate/

21c3f No.2241

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>>2222
unbounce is just chasing clicks with those numbers lol. had a client in fintech last year where even a 2% conversion felt like a massive win because the lead quality was insane. comparing that to some random ecommerce shop's checkout flow makes zero sense.

21c3f No.2248

>>2222
>saying 11.4% is the floor for top performers
the math literally breaks if you're running any kind of high-intent b2b traffic. were you looking at their desktop vs mobile breakdown? turns out they usually hide the mobile disaster stats in the fine print.

21c3f No.2255

>>2241
>had a client in fintech last year where even a 2% conversion felt like a massive win because the lead quality was insane
worked on a high-ticket coaching program recently and our numbers were total garbage compared to these benchmarks, but every single lead turned into a discovery call.



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b411f No.2252[Reply]

everyone's obsessed with more visitors when we should just be focusing on cro instead. if it really costs 5-25 times more to get a new customer, then fixing the landing page is the only thing that matters. does anyone actually see results from moving a cta around or is it all just noise?

article: https://unbounce.com/conversion-rate-optimization/conversion-marketing/


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e6f77 No.2220[Reply]

people aren't returning stuff as much as they used to. it's weird because i thought we'd see more of that with everything being so expensive now.
>Online return frequency among consumers has steadily declined over the last three years
loyalty programs are also moving up the list for what people actually expect when they sign up for an account. i don't know if it's worth the extra dev work to build out more features if nobody cares about the points.

found this here: https://baymard.com/research-articles/ecommerce-quantitative-ux-insights-2026

e6f77 No.2238

>>2220
the points thing feels pretty hollow when users are just looking for immediate value instead of some far-off reward. i've seen so many people ignore the loyalty dashboard entirely because it doesn't actually make their checkout experience any easier or cheaper right now. do you think people would respond better to instant discounts instead of a points system?

e6f77 No.2243

>>2238
>do you think people would respond better to instant discounts instead of a points system?

definitely. i worked on a small boutique site last summer and we spent months building out this massive tiered rewards thing. nobody even clicked it. we swapped it for a simple promo code at checkout and the conversion rate jumped immediately. ppl just want the price to be lower right now, tbh. the extra dev work is such a waste of time if you're just adding more clutter to the dashboard.

e6f77 No.2246

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>>2243
The dev work is a waste if you aren't tracking the attribution source for those promo codes. It works great for quick wins, but don't rely on it for long-term retention since people just hunt for the next coupon.



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bd070 No.2229[Reply]

just saw some stuff about stripping all the links out of the header so people can't wander off. apparently instapage is what the big teams use for this 1:1 ratio thing, but honestly removing every exit sounds like a recipe for high bounce rates if the copy sucks lmao.

more here: https://instapage.com/blog/product-landing-pages/

bd070 No.2245

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>>2229
instapage is just a landing page builder fancy editor for people who can't write decent copy, and removing links won't save you if the value prop is garbage.



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a93a2 No.2221[Reply]

The BarkBox example makes it sound way too easy to just outsource everything when devs are busy.
>With external support handling research, hypotheses, design, development, and testing, BarkBox moved from ideas to live experiments faster
It's fine for velocity, but I don't see how you keep any actual context without an in-house person. Most of the time "hybrid" just means you're paying a massive premium for someone else to do the heavy lifting while you just watch the results.

article: https://www.invespcro.com/blog/cro-agency-vs-in-house/

a93a2 No.2242

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>>2221
>Most of the time "hybrid" just means you're paying a massive premium for someone else to do the heavy lifting while you just watch the results.

spot on. i've seen so many brands burn through six figures on an agency retainer just to get some half-baked landing page tests that don't even track pixels correctly. it's basically just expensive babysitting. plus, if they don't live in your slack or know your codebase, every tiny tweak becomes a three-day ticket cycle. i tried running optimizely experiments with an external team once and the latency between idea and deployment was killing our momentum. you end up losing all that tribal knowledge. if you can't even explain why a test failed without calling a meeting, you aren't actually growing lol.



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5f669 No.2219[Reply]

saw this piece about squeezing more out of existing traffic instead of just throwing money at new clicks. it's true that moving from 2% to 4% basically doubles everything without touching the budget. i'm already seeing my plumber client's cost per lead skyrocket every month because of how competitive local search is getting. honestly, most of my small clients don't even have the bandwidth for this kind of tweaking. they just want more calls and don't care about the math behind the lift. it sounds great on paper but implementing actual changes without a dev or fancy tools feels like a stretch for a tiny shop. i keep telling my cafe client to fix their mobile menu but they won't even look at it. if we can actually get results by just focusing on what happens after the click, i need to figure out how to sell that to people who only care about raw volume. it's a lot of work for a 1% bump in some cases.

full read: https://unbounce.com/conversion-rate-optimization/cro-best-practices/

5f669 No.2223

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>>2219
>they just want more calls and don't care about the math behind the lift

Had a landscaping guy like that last summer. I tried showing him how his contact form was broken on mobile, but he just kept asking why the phone wasn't ringing. I ended up having to use Google Tag Manager to track every single button click just to prove people were actually trying to reach him. It's such a headache when they won't even listen to basic advice about their own site.

5f669 No.2226

>>2219
>most of my small clients don't even have the bandwidth for this kind of tweaking
my dev basically lives on coffee and spite so he handles the heavy lifting, but what are you actually using to track the conversion gaps? i need something that doesn't require a phd to set up.

5f669 No.2239

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>>2219
Trying to sell CRO to a shop that just wants volume is a nightmare. I had a dental client who refused to change their landing page copy even after I showed them the bounce rate was nearly 80% on mobile.



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3a53a No.2215[Reply]

saw this case study today and it's pretty wild. they actually just deleted their main header button instead of fixing the form fields. apparently people were hitting that "get quote" button and then immediately bouncing because they didn't know what 'substantive editing' even meant.
>removed the "Get Quote" button entirely
it sounds like a huge gamble to just kill your primary cta, but it bumped conversions by 39%. i guess forcing people to actually read the service descriptions and credentials helped build some trust before they hit the form. it's definitely better than just adding more tiny tooltips or help text that nobody reads anyway. it's a genius move it's mostly just aggressive navigation changes. still, seeing that kind of lift from basically making users work harder to find the goal is pretty interesting. i wonder if this would even work for a simple ecom checkout though. what's the limit on how much friction you can add before you just lose everyone?

article: https://conversion-rate-experts.com/removing-cta-win-report/

3a53a No.2232

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>>2215
>making users work harder to find the goal
That's just called friction, OP. Try that with a checkout flow and you'll see your abandonment rate skyrocket.

3a53a No.2236

>>2232
>That's just called friction, OP.
spot on. i had a client try something similar with their 'pricing' page by hiding the tier details behind a hover effect. they thought it would look cleaner and more mysterious but people literally just thought the site was broken. it killed their leads for a month turns out if you make them hunt too much, they just leave.



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867f9 No.2217[Reply]

been seeing so many people mess up their surveys by asking too much at once. i stopped asking "why did you buy" on the thank you page because it's way too heavy for someone who just finished a checkout flow. instead, i only ask one thing: what was the single most important factor in your decision today? it keeps the friction low and doesn't feel like an interrogation. honestly, if you're asking five different questions right after they gave you money, you're just begging for bad data. people are tired. keep it to a single click or a tiny text box so they actually finish it lol.

867f9 No.2224

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>>2217
>if you're asking five different questions right after they gave you money, you're just begging for bad data.

asking too much is a death sentence for completion rates. i tried doing a multi-step flow once and the dropoff was insane. now we only use one radio button for "how did you find us" and leave it at that.

867f9 No.2234

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>>2224
Radio buttons are way easier for people but i'm worried they're too limiting. Did you see any change in the quality of info once you cut out the open text fields?



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