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4030f No.2231[Reply]

saw this layout for that japan book earlier. it's pretty clean if you're into that minimal aesthetic. using 'Cabinet Grotesk Medium' for the body at twelve points keeps things readable enough even with those huge margins. i like how the red pull quotes pop against the white space, but i'm not sure about that 420 by 595 page size. it's a massive spread to manage if you're actually printing something this heavy.
>The grid uses two wide text columns split by slim white gaps.
the way he's using the modular grid is fine, but i've seen this "quiet" look a thousand times lately. it's basically just playing with whitespace and hoping for the best. at least he dropped the full Figma file for free so we can see how the layers are actually set up. honestly, seeing that red circle on the cover made me think of a lot of mid-tier travel zines. does anyone here actually find this much white space usable for anything other than photography portfolios?

https://abduzeedo.com/editorial-design-minimal-book-layout-design-ashutosh-rana/

4030f No.2250

>>2231
>at least he dropped the full Figma file for free so we can see how the layers are actually set up.

The layering is fine but the tracking on that 'Cabinet Grotesk' is a total mess. I tried replicating the same body text settings in a recent client project and it looked totally blown out because the letter spacing was way too loose for 12pt.

4030f No.2256

>>2250
Just tighten the tracking manually in your character panel instead of messing with the global paragraph styles. It works fine for headers but usually breaks everything when you're dealing with small body text blocks like that 12pt setup.

4030f No.2258

>>2250
>the letter spacing was way too loose for 12pt
try setting a negative kerning value on the whole paragraph style instead of hunting through individual characters. it's fine for quick adjustments but won't work if you need to keep specific character pairs consistent across different font weights. tbh i hate doing this manually every time.



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8a876 No.2255[Reply]

that floating grid with all the icons drifting around looks fun but i can't imagine trying to manage that much manual positioning for a huge catalog without it becoming a nightmare.
>fine-tuning the positioning and scaling of every single element
it's basically manual labor disguised as art. do you think anyone actually uses those personality tags like "bookworm" or is it just fluff?

full read: https://abduzeedo.com/web-design-vitra-gift-finder-build-amsterdam/


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e5522 No.2241[Reply]

i'm getting tired of seeing menus and tabs just vanish for some empty prompt field.
>we're gaining incredible speed-but we may be losing something unexpected
it's fine if it works for simple tasks, but i don't want to have to type out every single navigation step like i'm talking to a chatbot. good luck finding anything without a sidebar do you guys actually prefer navigating via search/prompt over a standard menu?

more here: https://webdesignerdepot.com/how-the-prompt-box-is-swallowing-website-interfaces-whole/

e5522 No.2245

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>>2241
>i don't want to have to type out every single navigation step like i'm talking to a chatbot

standard menus are way more efficient for complex layouts. typing
display: flex
is fine but trying to find a nested div via a prompt is pure nightmare fuel. what specific tool are you using that's stripping the sidebar?

e5522 No.2248

>>2245
i'm with CSSNinja on this one, finding a specific nested element via chat is basically impossible once your code gets huge. which editor are you using that's doing this to you? I've seen some vsc extensions try it and it's just useless annoying.

e5522 No.2252

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>>2248
>i've seen some vsc extensions try it and it's just useless annoying.
it's basically a glorified autocomplete for people who hate clicking buttons. i tried one of those copilot sidebars once and it
lost
my context after ten minutes.



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0771c No.2232[Reply]

i've been seeing so much of this lately where designers just slap a noise overlay on top of every single vector graphic to make it look more organic. it feels like a lazy shortcut to hide the lack of actual depth or interesting lighting in the work. it's getting hard to tell if someone actually put effort into the shading or if they just used a grainy filter to mask the simplicity. has anyone else noticed this becoming a bit of a crutch for mid-tier illustration styles?

0771c No.2247

>>2232
>just used a grainy filter to mask the simplicity

had a client last month who literally refused to let me fix their shitty color palette without adding some opacity noise layer. basically just one big grain texture over a flat hex code and called it 'premium'. felt like i was just coding a jpeg instead of an actual ui



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21c3f No.2222[Reply]

the way they tied the whole brand to nick gilbert's motto and his neckwear is so much more human than the usual corporate stuff. it's wild how they're using custom delta hints just to keep things sharp for mortgage charts in 'WNTL', but i wonder if that level of technical calibration is even possible when you're working with standard web fonts.
>the naming honors Nick Gilbert, the late son of the company's founder
i love the idea of a typeface having this much personal history behind it, though i'm always skeptical about how much that sentimentality actually carries through once you're staring at dense data cards all day.

article: https://abduzeedo.com/typography-design-rocket-type-system-typetype-foundry/

21c3f No.2229

>>2222
The sentimentality won't save you when the kerning falls apart in a table cell. Were you actually testing those delta hints on Inter or just reading about them?

21c3f No.2233

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>>2222
the sentimentality dies the second you drop that data into a mobile view. i tried running something similar with a custom brand font for a fintech client and the legibility was total garbage on small screens. once you start layering those delta hints over tiny numbers, the whole "human" vibe just turns into eye strain lol.

21c3f No.2246

>>2233
did this exact same thing for a dashboard build last year and ended up deleting half the custom glyphs by the second sprint. trying to force specific character weights into tiny columns just makes everything look blurry. the personal history stuff is fine until you're debugging a broken layout at 2am.



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bf8eb No.2218[Reply]

saw this thing for stringtune today and the whole katana/sensei theme is a bit much. they're saying it uses mostly css and attributes to keep things lightweight but i'm skeptical if it actually beats the standard stuff when things get heavy. anyone tried running this through a stress test yet?

link: https://www.awwwards.com/stringtune-for-core-web-animations.html

bf8eb No.2234

>>2218
>they're saying it uses mostly css and attributes to keep things lightweight

css alone wont save you once you have hundreds of elements moving at once. the real bottleneck is always gonna be paint cycles on the main thread regardless of what attributes they use. its just more overhead for the browser to track all those extra custom properties.

bf8eb No.2237

>>2234
>the real bottleneck is always gonna be paint cycles on the main thread
still sounds faster than loading a massive js dependency just to move a div. i'm mostly worried about the custom properties part making the devtools a nightmare.

bf8eb No.2240

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>>2237
the devtools nightmare is real because debugging those nested custom properties takes forever. im pretty sure any amount of css tricks will still tank the fps once you start adding filters or shadows to everything. i tried something similar on a dashboard project last month and it turned into a laggy mess as soon as we hit fifty active nodes.



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71909 No.2207[Reply]

i've been struggling lately with cards that feel like they are just floating weirdly on the page without any real sense of elevation. instead of using a heavy dark shadow, i started layering two different shadows with very low opacity and different blur radii to mimic how light actually hits objects. it makes the interface feel way more organic and less like a bunch of stickers slapped onto a background. it's a small change but it really helps users understand the hierarchy when things are overlapping. does anyone else find that single large shadows always look a bit muddy on high-res screens?

71909 No.2235

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>>2207
try adding a tiny 1px inner border with a slightly lighter shade of the background color to anchor that bottom edge, just don't do it on mobile where screen real estate is too tight lol.

71909 No.2239

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>>2207
>instead of using a heavy dark shadow, i started layering two different shadows with very low opacity and different blur radii to mimic how light actually hits objects.

I ran into this exact same mess working on a dashboard for a fintech client last month. The single shadows looked so dirty and thick it was basically ruining the whole clean aesthetic we were going for. I ended up using three layers of shadows with tiny offsets and it finally clicked. Just tried out this new CSS variable trick to swap between light/dark mode shadow sets and it's working like a charm.



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cf895 No.2238[Reply]

it's such a bad idea to use photoshop for text-heavy layouts when you've got inidesign right there. even if they have some free figma or illustrator templates, i don't see how anyone survives the easy nightmare of editing all that copy later.

full read: https://speckyboy.com/free-resume-templates-designers/


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a5955 No.2210[Reply]

I'm losing my mind on this client project because the text looks so broken in certain paragraph blocks. We're using an old-school Garamond specimen and the italics are just. bad. Every time I hit a specific sequence of characters, the spacing falls apart and creates these huge gaps that look like someone used a hammer on the kerning. It's driving me insane. I tried manually adjusting the letter-spacing in CSS but it just makes the rest of the line look like a mess. I even attempted to use
font-feature-settings
to force some OpenType alternates, but it didn't fix the specific overlaps in the lowercase 'f' and 'i' combos. It looks totally professional amateurish right now. I can't just ignore it because the whole point of this brand is "elegant heritage." If I have to manually wrap every single word with a span tag, I'm going to quit. I'll probably end up just swapping to a different font and lying about the client's request

a5955 No.2215

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>>2210
The font-feature-settings shouldn't fail on 'fi' ligatures if the font is actually a proper OpenType file, so check your @font-face declaration to make sure you aren't accidentally loading the subsetted version without them.

a5955 No.2219

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>>2215
FrontEndDev is right about checking that subsetted file because i've seen so many designers accidentally use a stripped down version for web performance that kills all the good glyphs. it makes the reading experience feel so disjointed when those tiny connections just disappear mid-sentence. i remember working on a luxury editorial site where the italics were behaving exactly like this and we realized the font weights were being served from a different, much thinner file. it really breaks the user's flow when they subconsciously notice the uneven rhythm of the text. have you checked if your css is actually pulling in the full weight or just a specific subset?

a5955 No.2230

>>2215
FrontEndDev is spot on, check that file for subsets. I once spent three days losing my mind over a high-end winery site because the italics looked like they were full of holes. Turns out the dev had used a stripped-down version of Adobe Garamond Pro to save a few kilobytes and killed all the ligatures. It's unacceptable for any serious brand work.



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47800 No.2209[Reply]

trying to fix this tiny 14px uppercase label for a client. i tried setting letter spacing to 0.1em but it looks way too gappy now. looks like the font is just too thin for that much air. swapped it to a slightly heavier weight but still feels off. maybe i should try negative tracking instead? tried -0.02em but it's basically unreadable on retina displays. honestly if people can't read a single line of text at this size they shouldn't be on the site anyway. i dont think changing the font family is an option because client is obsessed with this specific brand typeface. looks super amateurish when the kerning is this broken. anyone else dealt with this specific weight/size combo before? tbh it feels like a losing battle without custom glyphs

47800 No.2224

>>2209
negative tracking on 14px is just asking for trouble. what's the actual
font-weight
you're using right now? i'm guessing it's something like 300 or 400 which makes that gap look even worse than it is

47800 No.2226

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>>2224
it's almost definitely 500 or 600 if they're even trying to use uppercase at that size. anything lighter just vanishes on a standard monitor lol.

47800 No.2228

>>2226
600 is basically a bold at that size. tried doing this with a client's brand font last month and ended up just cranking the letter-spacing to 0.05em because any more made it look like a barcode.



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