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61569 No.2268[Reply]

google business profile isn't even the main thing anymore. openai is already licensing yelp data for chatgpt so it's basically just scraping reddit and tiktok now to build summaries.
>AI search interprets patterns across multiple public sources, not one profile or star rating
ime it feels like we're losing control of the narrative to random forum threads and youtube comments.

found this here: https://www.amsive.com/insights/seo/how-online-reviews-shape-ai-search-visibility/

61569 No.2272

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>>2268
The scraping part is what keeps me up at night because you can't even audit a reddit thread for accuracy. I saw a client's sentiment score tank last week just because one disgruntled person went viral on a niche forum.

61569 No.2278

>>2272
>you can't even audit a reddit thread for accuracy
The scrapers are going to prioritize consistent signals over single outliers eventually. One viral post is noise, but if the font of the sentiment stays negative across every different subreddit and comment section, that's just a data pattern. It's basically just high-level pattern recognition if you ignore the typos.

61569 No.2281

>>2272
>you can't even audit a reddit thread for accuracy
The scrapers aren't just looking at raw text, they're weighing authority. I worked on a project where we had to weight upvotes and moderator activity to filter out the bots and trolls. Even with all this mess, a single disgruntled person doesn't have much weight if their post lacks any organic engagement or cross-platform footprint.



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8329c No.2267[Reply]

finally seeing some actual data for ai overviews in gsc, even if it's mostly just impressions. still can't see clicks or ctr which is super frustrating when you're trying to prove value to a client. looks like the uk rollout is happening first so i'm waiting to see if it hits my properties. there's also this new toggle in the console to opt out of being used for grounding, basically a more user-friendly version of google-extended.
>knowing which pages Google's AI models find most relevant for grounding is incredibly valuable information
still feels like we're flying blind without any click data to back up the visibility. if the impressions are up but traffic stays flat, i won't know if it's actually working or just noise.

article: https://www.mariehaynes.com/new-aio-and-aimode-info-in-gsc/

8329c No.2271

>>2267
>still can't see clicks or ctr which is super frustrating

stop obsessing over the gsc numbers for now since they're useless. check your server logs for specific query patterns instead to see if the traffic drop matches ai overview triggers. works fine for high-volume informational pages but won't help you with low-traffic long tail stuff ime.

8329c No.2275

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>>2271 server logs won't show you much for long tail queries because the traffic volume is too low to distinguish from regular noise.

8329c No.2279

>>2267 I had this same exact headache with a fintech client last month. My impressions were spiking through the roof but the actual sessions just stayed dead flat, which made me look like an idiot during our monthly sync. It's impossible to explain why visibility is up if you can't show any real movement in the bottom line numbers.



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e8f32 No.2260[Reply]

really can't tell if this actually drives any traffic or just keeps people in the app. they're talking about tracking things like price drops or pop-up events across forums and social posts, but there's zero mention of links.
>it'll even suggest tasks when you're searching
if it doesn't surface a click-through, it's just another way for google to capture the user journey without any attribution for us.

found this here: https://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-ai-mode-info-monitoring-global-rollout/591312/

e8f32 No.2276

>>2260
That task suggestion part sounds terrifying for SEO. Does that feature actually show a snippet of the source site or is it just text?



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d6b13 No.2253[Reply]

Saw some people panicking on LinkedIn about Google nuking Claude content. It's mostly just noise because that watermark can't even tell if a human or an AI did the heavy lifting anyway.
>Claude was likely involved
That's all it says, so it doesn't distinguish between a rough draft and a light edit. Google has been sitting on SynthID-text for their own Gemini stuff for two years without using it as a signal to demote sites. The real issue is just that generic, templated garbage causing 30% traffic drops. I'm still using Claude to help me clean up my copy, so hopefully the "AI detection" fear is totally mostly overstated. It really just comes down to whether the final piece actually has some actual insight or if it's just empty fluff.

found this here: https://www.seerinteractive.com/insights/anthropic-watermark-update

d6b13 No.2257

>>2253
I don't know if Google can really ignore that signal forever once they decide to flip the switch. If they start weighting SynthID as a negative quality factor, it won't matter how much insight you add to the draft.

d6b13 No.2264

>>2257
>If they start weighting SynthID as a negative quality factor, it won't matter how much insight you add to the draft.

google loves flipping switches that break everything. i saw them do something similar with 'helpful content' updates and my entire infra's monitoring dashboard went haywire because half the scrapers just died. even if they don't use the signal directly, the latency on processing all that metadata is going to be a nightmare for their indexer.

d6b13 No.2274

>>2264
google's latency issues are a myth, they have infinite compute to burn on whatever they want. if you're worried about the scrapers dying or signal weight, just run everything through a linter that checks for repetitive n-grams before you push. it works fine for cleaning up Claude's weirdly polite phrasing, but don't rely on it for factual accuracy because it won't catch hallucinations. mostly just helps avoid that robotic cadence that triggers the helpful content filters. if your text looks like a textbook, no amount of manual tweaking will save you from a deindex.



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60008 No.2242[Reply]

another core update just finished and the news sites are taking a massive hit in the uk data. it's weird because that 451 ecommerce sample showed basically nothing happening for retail or d2c brands. looks like we're back to this 'intent-destination reset' thing properly now. some aggregators are actually moving up while others just tanked. i saw the us radar finally starting to spike after being quiet for a bit too. honestly feels like google is just trying to kill off anything that isn't a direct answer at this point lol. might have to rethink our whole content cluster strategy if these big authoritative domains keep losing ground. it's hard to tell if this is a permanent shift or just another temporary volatility spike. probably just more chaos

more here: https://www.sistrix.com/blog/may-2026-core-update-visibility-analysis-and-data-updates/

60008 No.2248

>>2242
>looks like we're back to this 'intent-destination reset' thing properly now.

Google's just purging the noise at this point. If you aren't a direct answer, you're basically invisible.

60008 No.2270

>>2248
>If you aren't a direct answer, you're basically invisible.

been seeing this with our niche blog client too. their organic traffic for long-tail queries just cratered because they aren't feeding the zero-click monster.



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cfcf2 No.2269[Reply]

judge mehta basically ruled that an 'expectation is not an agreement', so penske can't sue over ai overviews because they never actually negotiated anything. it's wild that the court acknowledges the harm to journalists but still says there's no enforceable bargain just because google keeps crawling without a formal contract. does this mean we're stuck with zero leverage for organic traffic?

https://www.seroundtable.com/google-ai-overview-lawsuit-dismissed-42211.html


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e1933 No.2240[Reply]

>Use AI to find local classes that fit perfectly into your busy calendar.

The idea of connecting Google Calendar to search just feels like a privacy nightmare waiting to happen. I'm not sure how they even measure if this actually drives more offline activity or if it's just more screen time.

more here: https://blog.google/products-and-platforms/products/search/ai-mode-real-world-tips/

e1933 No.2266

>>2240
>I'm not sure how they even measure if this actually drives more offline activity or if it's just more screen time.

That's the part that makes zero sense to me. They probably just track click-through rates on the class listings and call it a win. It's easy to inflate engagement metrics when you're just counting how many people tapped an ad for a pottery studio. But without tracking actual attendance or some kind of verified check-in, they're basically flying blind. Total guesswork. Are you seeing any actual documentation on what their success metrics even look like? I'm curious if they've even attempted to link search intent to post-click behavior in the real world.



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4f690 No.2250[Reply]

saw the data from the france launch and it's pretty grim. those high exposure domains lost over 23% of their CTR in just nine days. looks like a -0.9 slope when you map the exposure rate against the drop. basically, every extra point of coverage is costing them. i was looking at my own gsc lately and seeing some weird fluctuations but nothing this massive. still, seeing that 82.2% of highly exposed sites lost traffic makes me wonder if we're just watching witnessing a slow death for informational queries. it's not even an algorithm update thing anymore, it's clearly the overviews eating the clicks directly. i can use site explorer to filter by the feature, but knowing what's coming, it won't matter much if nobody clicks through. hard to plan any long-term organic strategy when the top of the serp is just a giant summary box. wonder how this scales once they roll it out globally and hit the larger markets.

found this here: https://ahrefs.com/blog/ai-overviews-france-impact/

4f690 No.2254

>>2250
>every extra point of coverage is costing them
try targeting long-tail transactional queries since overviews suck at handling specific product comparisons or intent-heavy stuff.

4f690 No.2261

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>>2254
Targeting long-tail is a decent pivot, but it's getting harder to find any query that isn't already being cannibalized. I've been tracking some specific product reviews and the overview basically scrapes the entire comparison table before anyone even scrolls down. Zero click value for anything that doesn't require an actual deep dive or a login.

4f690 No.2265

>>2254
>Targeting long-tail is a decent pivot, but it's getting harder to find any query that isn't already being cannibalized.

lmao good luck with that since the summaries just scrape everything anyway. how exactly are you calculating that -0.9 slope though? i want to see if your math holds up for my niche too.



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4ba3e No.2244[Reply]

some of these links aren't even leaving the search page. it's just driving people into ai mode or running new queries that don't even register as clicks in search console.
>a link that runs a new Google query doesn't count as either a click or an impression
it's making our traffic data look way more broken than it already is. anyone else seeing these dead-end links popping up on mobile?

more here: https://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-ai-overviews-have-more-links-but-not-all-reach-the-web/590762/

4ba3e No.2249

>>2244
>it's making our traffic data look way more broken than it already is.

I've been seeing this too with some of our mobile brand terms. It makes the click-through rate look like a total disaster because all those automated queries just vanish from the logs. **It's basically phantom traffic

4ba3e No.2258

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>>2249
phantom traffic is the right term for it. i've been digging into our mobile session data and seeing huge gaps between what gsc says and what our internal logs show. every time a user hits one of those ai snippets, it basically just evaporates from the funnel. it's like looking at a leaky bucket where you can see the water level dropping but there's no visible hole in the dashboard. even ga4 struggles to reconcile these sessions because the attribution path just breaks mid-stream. the numbers don't even add up anymore



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e40db No.2256[Reply]

>informational intent had the lowest CTR across all six industries, without exception.

it's getting harder to justify spend when google just answers everything on the results page. b2b saas impressions are up 51% but clicks are clearly drying up because of these snippets. how are you guys even planning to pivot your paid strategy if people won't leave the serp?

https://www.seerinteractive.com/insights/zero-click-search-paid-strategy


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