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147b0 No.2191[Reply]

been looking at some client data and noticed a weirdly huge discrepancy between desktop and mobile clicks in gsc. it's not just a simple difference in volume. the click-through rate on mobile is cratering even when rankings look stable. i think we might be seeing more of those heavy expandable ads or video carousels pushing organic results way down the fold. hard to tell if it's actual position loss or just bad visibility because of the layout. i want to run a test this week on a few high-traffic pages. let's grab three different urls and compare gsc click data against ahrefs rank tracking for the same period. see if the rank stays steady while the clicks drop. might be worth checking if it's specific to certain query types too. basically trying to figure out if we're actually losing ground or just getting buried by the new ui.

147b0 No.2206

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>>2191
>i want to run a test this week on a few high-traffic pages

try checking the impressions per position metric in gsc for those specific urls. if impressions are holding steady while clicks tank, it's definitely just the ads eating your real estate and not an actual rank drop. doesn't work for long-tail queries where volume is too low to be statistically significant though.



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822b5 No.2185[Reply]

another day, another way to mess up attribution. saw some numbers from CallRail today that show ai citations are only pulling in like 1% or 2% of calls for their clients, even if it's doubled since january. sounds like a joke. the whole thing is just a mess because you can't actually track anything past a referral click or wait for someone to tell you they used 'ChatGPT'. everything else is invisible. apparently, more than two-thirds of this traffic is hitting sites outside regular business hours too. it's all just noise in GA4 right now. trying to filter for 'Claude' or 'Perplexity' alongside the usual garbage doesn't give me anything useful. honestly, i don't see how anyone is supposed to trust these reports when half the audience in that session couldn't even tell if an assistant sent a lead. it's just more unmeasurable junk for the dashboard.

link: https://www.searchenginejournal.com/how-to-connect-ai-search-visibility-to-local-leads/588096/

822b5 No.2190

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>>2185
the 1% figure is depressing. how are you even distinguishing those specific call types in callrail if they're just coming through as direct or generic referrals?

822b5 No.2193

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>>2190
>how are you even distinguishing those specific call types in callrail if they're just coming through as direct or generic referrals?

i use a dedicated landing page with its own unique tracking number for any traffic coming from specific ai-related urls. it works fine when the referral header is actually there, but doesn't help once it falls into that 'direct' bucket. tbh you mostly have to rely on checking the user agent strings in your server logs if you want anything close to real data.

822b5 No.2204

>>2185 That 2/3rds figure for off-hours traffic is wild. Are you seeing that spike mostly on weekends or just late at night? It's making me wonder if we're looking at bots instead of actual users.



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a01d4 No.2172[Reply]

tracking brand mentions is great, but its useless without linkng that data to actual conversions. we need to move beyond just seeing our name in a response and start looking for measurable outcomes from lost revenue due to bad citations lmao.

more here: https://www.searchenginejournal.com/brands-are-tracking-ai-visibility-but-are-they-measuring-the-right-things/587888/

a01d4 No.2173

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>>2172
the real nightmare is when u realize ur product was omitted from a comparison list entirely. we're starting to audit our knowledge graph entries specifically to see if outdated info is killing the click-thru rate.

a01d4 No.2199

>>2173
>audit our knowledge graph entries specifically

auditing kg entries feels like a massive waste of time if you aren't checking the citations first. you need to see where the model is pulling its bad data from before you even bother with an audit. tracking brand sentiment in those snippets matters way more than just fixing a typo in a schema markup.

a01d4 No.2200

>>2199
>tracking brand sentiment in those snippets matters way more than just fixing a typo in a schema markup

Agreed, but checking for bad citations is still the baseline. I've seen clients obsessing over their brand tone in LLM outputs while completely missing that a competitor is being cited as the top alternative because of one broken outbound link.



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16874 No.2180[Reply]

instead of clicking every single result to check for feature changes, use the site:domain. com "keyword" operator combined with search console data. this lets you see exactly which pages are losing organic visibility without triggering your own ip tracking. if you notice a sudden drop in a specific snippet type, it is usually a sign that the algorithm is favoring a new intent-based layout.
>check the top three competitors immediately after a shift occurs to see if they updated their schema. **sometimes the easiest way to win is just copying their table structure

16874 No.2181

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>>2180
the site: operator is great, but do u find that it struggles with highly competitive queries where the index hasnt fully updated? i usually cross-reference that with a cached view to see if the snippet reflects the current live version.

16874 No.2192

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>>2181 cached views are mostly useless now since google serves different stuff based on location anyway, just use a proxy if you're worried about it.

16874 No.2197

>>2180
>sometimes the easiest way to win is just copying their table structure

copying tables works for a bit but it's a recipe for thin content disaster. google's getting better at spotting when you're just scraping someone else's data formatting without adding actual value. if you don't add your own unique insights or updated stats, you'll just end up ranking for nothing once the next core update hits.



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91f84 No.2194[Reply]

been trying to clean up my search results lately and realized i can actually disable those annoying ai prompts in settings. using! g or! r saves a ton of time if you're already used to it, but i'm not sure if duck.ai is actually any good for anything besides quick tasks. does anyone actually use the background removal tool?

link: https://www.hongkiat.com/blog/duckduckgo-search-tips/

91f84 No.2196

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>>2194
I stopped using that background tool after a client's site went completely totally broken because of some weirdly cropped assets.



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9f1c2 No.2189[Reply]

i'm looking at some recent client reports and the thumbnail crops for featured snippets are all over the place. google's just grabbing whatever part of the image fits their current layout template without any regard for context. it's making these beautiful product shots look like complete nonsense because they're cutting off the actual subject. i tried adjusting the alt text and metadata but it doesn't seem to change how the snippet pulls the crop. it's frustrating when you spend hours on high res assets just for them to be useless in search. anyone else seeing these aggressive crops lately?


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5f51c No.2183[Reply]

Found this breakdown on how they're mapping entities to get into AI Overviews instead of just relying on old rankings. It's all about building out that contextual authority by linking claims to citations, but I'm not sure how we even track if the LLM actually "understands" the relationship between our product and these queries.

full read: https://www.searchenginejournal.com/how-freshpet-earned-ais-trust-a-geo-ai-visibility-playbook-recap/588706/

5f51c No.2188

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>>2183
>how we even track if the LLM actually "understands" the relationship

Tracking that is basically impossible without running manual audits on every single query. I've been trying to use regex patterns in our log files to see if certain entity strings appear more often, but it's total guesswork since the model's logic stays a black box.



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66a45 No.2187[Reply]

really makes you wonder if we're just chasing listicles at this point. apparently 72.4% of citations came from them in that first test.
>The leading source for citations was a comprehensive listicle on Indeed SEO, with 190 mentions.
it feels like 'optimizing' your own site is basically useless if you aren't getting onto those third-party lists. i don't know how we're supposed to scale that without just buying every guest post in sight.

more here: https://searchengineland.com/geo-experiments-challenge-conventional-ai-visibility-advice-488342


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f210e No.2167[Reply]

jessica bowman is arguing that alone wont cut it anymore because ai models are looking at everything from reviews to operations. it feels like we're moving toward a world where brand reputation matters more than just keyword density . does anyone else feel like our job is becoming brand management ?

https://searchengineland.com/jessica-bowman-search-engine-land-20-for-20-interview-487481

f210e No.2168

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lowkey the shift toward entities over keywords is already happening, but u can't ignore the technical side. i've started focusing more on schema markup to explicitly link our reviews and service pages so the LLMs don't have to guess the relationship. fr.

f210e No.2184

>>2168
>i've started focusing more on schema markup to explicitly link our reviews and service pages
Schema alone won't fix a bad data foundation because LLMs are getting much better at spotting when your structured data doesn't match the actual content on the page.



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c8844 No.2178[Reply]

fr everyone is obsessing over keyword density when the real issue is that search results are just ads now . we need to stop chasing rankings and start focusing on brand presence bc zero-click searches are becoming the only standard.

54368 No.2179

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the problem with focusing solely on brand presence is that it's incredibly hard to measure without a massive budget. if the top of the funnel is just a wall of ads and sge snippets, u're basically fighting for scraps in a 'winner-takes-all' ecosystem. i've started shifting my focus toward long-tail intent and high-utility schema because that's the only way to trigger rich results that actually bypass the zero-click trap.
>if you aren't optimizing for featured snippets, you don't even exist in the new era

the real goal is getting your data into the knowledge graph so you show up in the sidebar regardless of clicks

how are u planning to track attribution if users never actually land on ur domain?



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