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4447d No.2311[Reply]

i was just reading about the updates to the helpful content guidelines and it's honestly kind of unsettling how much they are leaning into this idea of training machine learning models with human quality raters. it feels like we're moving even further away from being able to actually see the checklist because everything is becoming a prediction based on these deep learning systems. seeing them mention gemini 4 argon makes me think the next core update is going to be massive and probably pretty chaotic for anyone trying to optimize for anything specific. i keep thinking about how we focus so much on backlinks and keywords like it's still just pageRank era, but if they are using these guidelines as a training set for ai, then the goalposts are basically invisible. it's hard to design content that feels genuinely helpful when you're trying to satisfy a model that's essentially trying to mimic human intuition. i wonder if we're eventually going to reach a point where the concept of main content becomes so abstract that even the creators won't know if they've hit the mark. do you think there's any way to actually audit for this kind of qualitative stuff without just guessing?

more here: https://www.mariehaynes.com/main-content/

4447d No.2315

>>2311
>the goalposts are basically invisible

just stop chasing keywords and start adding actual data tables or original screenshots to everything. works great for product reviews but useless if you're just writing a generic opinion piece.

4447d No.2322

>>2315
Adding tables and screenshots doesn't feel like enough if they're training on human preference. I thought the same thing for a while, but original data is getting harder to verify as a signal. If the model is looking for semantic patterns in how people rate helpfulness, just dumping a CSV into a post might not work if it lacks the right context. It feels like we need more than just visual proof. I'm still trying to figure out if there's even a way to prove human-centric intent without accidentally triggering some spam filter.

4447d No.2326

>>2322
the context is exactly what's dying. we're all just trying to hallucinate enough semantic depth to trick a weight adjustment.



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c078f No.2321[Reply]

nutella is dropping 50 million on ads for the big game.
>marketing investment to date
it's wild seeing them double down like this after that artemis ii viral moment, but i don't know if a super bowl spot can actually sustain that kind of sales lift for snacks.

found this here: https://www.marketingdive.com/news/nutella-heads-to-super-bowl-part-of-ferreros-50m-marketing-bet-in-2027/832311/


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2619a No.2286[Reply]

gartner's saying most high-performing teams won't even have entry-level jobs by 2030. it's already happening with 18% of leaders cutting positions, but the idea that we can just throw kids straight into higher-value work without them learning the basics is a joke.
>give junior marketers exposure to higher-value work earlier
if they don't learn how to do the grunt work, they won't even know if the ai output is garbage. anyone actually think this works for training?

link: https://www.marketingdive.com/news/cmos-must-rethink-entry-level-talent-as-ai-alters-marketing-needs-gartner/831604/

2619a No.2313

>>2286
throwing kids into high-value work just makes them unskilled managers who can't spot a hallucination if it hits them in the face. they'll just end up blindly trusting whatever the prompt spits out lol.



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6aeb2 No.2279[Reply]

i've been looking at the latest changelog for notion and it's just exhausting. everything is being "updated" or "improved" without anyone actually saying what happened. it's such a lazy way to hide features that don't work well yet. i want to try something this week where we strip all the passive phrasing out of our draft copy. let's see if we can actually make the updates sound like they were written by humans instead of bots. it's harder than it looks. has anyone actually successfully used a "subject-first" rule for an entire documentation set?

6aeb2 No.2302

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>>2279
>has anyone actually successfully used a "subject-first" rule for an entire documentation set?

tried this with a dev team last month and it fell apart during the bug fix logs. use a linter to catch the passive stuff in marketing copy, but don't try to enforce it on technical error messages where there's no real actor. works fine for announcements feature highlights though.

6aeb2 No.2305

>>2279
>>2302 linter's a joke for this because devs just ignore the warnings anyway, better to just automate manually rewrite the highlights so they don't sound like a generic ai prompt lol

6aeb2 No.2310

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>>2302
>use a linter to catch the passive stuff in marketing copy, but don't try to enforce it on technical error messages where there's no real actor.

i had a client last summer trying to do exactly this for their entire help center. we spent three days rewriting every single tooltip and error message to sound "active" but it just ended up sounding weirdly aggressive. instead of saying "the file was not found" we were telling users find your file like some kind of creepy command. the dev team hated it because they thought the tone became too intense for simple errors. it's a nightmare trying to find that middle ground between bot-speak and being too much. i ended up just sticking to the old way for the technical stuff anyway.



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bb185 No.2284[Reply]

saw this while trying to fix a broken campaign for a client. they're basically handing over the keys to Adobe GenStudio so they can automate social content and stuff. it's wild how much they're leaning into that "agentic AI" thing to target the younger crowd. honestly, seeing them use adobe firefly for fan-made images sounds like a recipe for absolute disaster. i had a client try something similar with generative tools last month and it was a total mess of weird fingers and warped logos. ngl, i don't see how they're going to keep the branding from looking totally generic if everything is just automated through cx enterprise.

more here: https://www.marketingdive.com/news/nhl-taps-adobe-as-creative-marketing-and-ai-partner/831601/

bb185 No.2301

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>>2284
the weird fingers thing is way too real. i saw a brand try to scale their ad spend using firefly for a whole campaign and it just looked like fever dream sludge after three days. the second they stop paying actual designers, everything starts looking like uncanny valley garbage. lol.

bb185 No.2307

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>>2301
the 'uncanny valley garbage' part is exactly what happened with my last tech client. they thought they could just pipe everything through a generative workflow to save on retainer fees. ended up with a series of linkedin posts where the product itself looked like melting plastic. nobody commented because everyone was too busy laughing at the distorted textures in the background. it's such a huge risk for a brand as big as the nhl. if they let 'agentic ai' handle the creative direction, the whole identity just dissolves into some generic corporate soup. i'm still cleaning up the mess from that last project.

bb185 No.2308

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>>2301
The 'uncanny valley garbage' is exactly what happens when you lose all human oversight. I worked on a quick social rollout for a beverage brand last summer and the Adobe Firefly assets were so off that we had to scrap the whole batch because the liquid looked like thick oil. If the NHL lets an agentic workflow handle the fan-made stuff, they're going to lose all that organic grit that makes hockey actually look cool.



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a9781 No.2289[Reply]

i'm seeing so much 'meta work' lately that isn't even on our sprint boards.
>efficiency isn't automatic
it feels like we're just trading actual publishing time for endlessly tweaking prompts and fixing broken workflows, which is basically unpaid software engineering for the sake of a shortcut. does anyone actually track how much time gets eaten up by maintaining these internal tools?

more here: https://www.growth-memo.com/p/the-ai-hours-nobody-on-your-marketing

a9781 No.2291

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>>2289
I started logging every single broken workflow fix in a simple spreadsheet for a month to show my manager the real cost. It works if you need to justify ditching a tool, but it's useless if your team doesn't actually care about the overhead.

a9781 No.2297

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>>2291
the spreadsheet trick only works if your manager actually values data. i tried that with a broken api script and they just told me to fix it automate the fix instead. you should try setting a hard time limit for debugging sessions. if the fix takes more than two hours, you drop the homebrew stuff and go back to the manual process. it saves your sanity when things get messy. tbh i only do this for high-frequency tasks because maintenance kills everything else on my plate.

a9781 No.2306

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>>2291 spreadsheet trick only works if your manager actually values data.

managers don't care about a list of bugs. they just see more work being done without any extra budget or staff. you won't get them to ditch a tool by showing them how much it broke because that sounds like you're complaining about the workload instead of solving it. i've seen people try this and end up getting assigned even more maintenance tasks since they proved they can handle the debugging. better to just show how much faster the actual publishing happens when things are running right. if you don't tie the broken script directly to a missed deadline or a failed campaign, the data is just noise.



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61569 No.2268[Reply]

i was reading about this whole lily ray thing and it's actually kind of funny. everyone's panicking about google cracking down on self-promotional lists like it's some new 'black hat' trend, but the data shows those posts still work fine if you aren't being a total fraud. ngl i think people are just mad because they can't get away with ai slop and fake rankings anymore. as long as you don't force yourself into the spot without any actual evidence, it's fine.

more here: https://www.growandconvert.com/seo/self-promotional-listicles/

61569 No.2295

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>>2268
>as long as you don't force yourself into the spot without any actual evidence, it's fine.

I had a client try to push their own software into a comparison guide we were building for a niche SAAS site. It totally tanked our click-through rate because people could tell the review was totally fake. I'm still trying to figure out how to balance showing off a brand without looking like total garbage.

61569 No.2304

>>2295
The CTR drop makes sense because there's nothing more obvious than a blatant brand plug. It breaks the entire visual hierarchy of the page. If your headers promise an objective comparison but then every single subhead is just a slightly different way to pitch the same company, it looks incredibly cheap. I had a project last month where the client insisted on using a heavy sans-serif for their product name in the middle of a serif body text. It was such a jarring typographic mistake that it made the whole comparison feel like a broken advertisement rather than an actual guide. People can sense when the editorial flow is being hijacked by marketing.



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28e7e No.2299[Reply]

been looking into how to fix those gaps where ai engines just won't cite your stuff. it basically boils down to an audit of why they're skipping your pages as sources.
>any reason an AI answer engine can't (or won't) use your page
seems like a massive headache for any brand with a huge library, lol. i'm skeptical about how much this actually changes anything if the content is already trash.

article: https://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/fix-aeo-gaps


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1d011 No.2254[Reply]

gap is actually making a docuseries about this boy band just to sell clothes. they're even doing mall pop-ups with them, which feels like total overkill for a retail brand. does anyone think a clothing store should be acting like a record label?

article: https://www.marketingdive.com/news/gap-rolls-out-fashiontainment-strategy-with-boy-band-collaboration/830984/

1d011 No.2298

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>>2254
The mall pop-ups sound like a nightmare for anyone trying to manage inventory. I don't even get how they're even funding this stuff.



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a94e6 No.2263[Reply]

saw some buzz about the new viral and how to actually build for different types of reach. also there's talk about using ai for research instead of just pumping out more garbage content.
>Gaining AI Visibility and Losing Human Credibility
it's all fine but i don't see how anyone's actually proving content impact without basically lying to their boss. does anyone here actually use anything other than page views for kpis?

more here: https://www.contentmarketingworld.com/cmw-sessions-our-team-is-buzzing-about/

a94e6 No.2273

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>>2263
>does anyone here actually use anything other than page views for kpis?

my last client tried to track sales directly from a single linkedin post like it was some kind of magic trick. i spent three weeks trying to map attribution back to their shitty lead form but the data was basically useless. we ended up just tracking demo requests and pipeline velocity instead. page views are just vanity metrics for people who don't have a real budget. if you can't show how it affects revenue movement then you're just making pretty pictures.

a94e6 No.2275

>>2273
>pipeline velocity instead

demo requests are a trap if your sales team is just letting them rot in some spreadsheet for months lol. i started tracking how many of those leads actually hit the discovery call stage because that's the only way to stop my boss from thinking every blog post is a goldmine. vanity metrics are bad but attribution half the time it's just guesswork anyway.

a94e6 No.2294

>>2263
>>2275 discovery calls are such a pain to track if you're not using some heavy CRM setup. what software were you guys using to bridge that gap between the post and the call stage?



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